Well crap, let me clarify a few typo's in my last post.

And I'm not 'the stuff' because I read a book at 12, nor do I know everything.

This forum needs an edit button

Here's John Doans site: http://members.tripod.com/~johndoan/

Its fortunate that good-old Sir Isac didn't have access to a particle accelerator. Othersize John Doan would be trying to disprove him

The strength of the current theories is that they match experimental results better than the earlier theories - otherwise they would not have superceded them.

For my money, the only way for John Doan to disprove the current theories is to either find a better theory, or find where the current theories fail but the previous ones don't - not play word games in imaginary conversations with Einstein, or just saying 'you're wrong'.

And damn it, I missed the 100th post

Thanks, I must say that was an eye opener! Einstein was abosolutely Wrr...RRRIIIGGGHTTTT!! Poor guy, not only does his website suck, (Come on its Tripod.) He seems to be the little boy that tries to be a rebel cause he can't fit in. Sorta the "I don't get it boo hoo hoo...sniffile, I'll just believe something else with all sincerity...that makes it right." Sorry got of topic...anyway. I must say I feel dumber after being at that site.

I hope Bugsquish hasn't left us , Don't worry about missing the 100th post at this rate we might see 200!


Best wishes

This thread is stupid

That much at least cannot be denied ... not even by this John Doan bloke

lol

Do you remember the phrase "don't believe everything your mamma told u"? We can come up with "evidence" that supports our theories, but none of it can be or probably ever will be proven once and for all. It smells of the Religion debate.. People will believe what they want to believe. The worst thing you can do is assume that any one side is right, because it's the commonly held view

The experiments cite a change in motion as proof of a change in time. It's a vicious circle! Does the time prove a change in motion or does the motion prove a change in time? You can believe what you want to believe based on the wording of the "proof".

The thing is that there are flaws. The methodology alone opposes Einstein's symmetristic relativity in the sense that only one side of the story can be verified experimentally in each case.
Also, what is the reference point? To say that observer A is motionless while observer B is in motion is ridiculous because both A and B are in motion compared to point C on the moon, and all three in motion compared to point D on the sun..

There is no global reference point that is always stationary (unless you consider Lorentz' ether).
Experiments have been carried out on the mass of electrons in motion relative to the earth, and to the sun. It seems that expected effects happen with only the Earth as a stationary reference point. This would mean that time dilation only applies relative to Earth so was Aristotle on the right lines? I think not.

The only realistic conclusion is that there is a percieved change in expected MOTION not time, and that it is effected by relativity to the Earth. This would suggest that Earth has it's own ether but I can't help thinking it has more to do with gravity. Time is, after all, only our way of measuring motion

Further reading:
The Problem of Reciprocity and Non-Reciprocity in Special Relativity http://www.dipmat.unipg.it/~bartocci/ep6/ep6-mull.htm

THE PROBLEM OF MOTION IN THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY
http://www.mrelativity.net/Papers/7/Pavlovic.htm

if we do not understand motion we cannot understand Nature

~Aristotle

oh yea and the "4th dimention is motion" thing was totally half hearted, i didnt know someone was gonna jump down my neck

You are all BLOODY SAD.

This stared as a code snippets page and ended as a phisilogical discussion of the mysteries of the universe. You should all GET A LIFE






















PS The fourthdimension is time you knuckle heads

Didn't you used to hang around with Rimsey and Listy? Well they travelled in time, so you should know!

There! Definitive proof that time IS the fourth dimension. And anyone who disagrees now is a charmless goit!

>> 4d? I don't think so. The 4th dimension is time. So to answer your question its 3d.


The 4th deminsion has not been proven to exist, time is just an illusion from our minds.
Or not..hehe..Just think...

"enculer" is the verb... "enculé" is the right word...
and ... by the way ..time is 4th dimension =) and can be modified (in theorie) by the speed... and...xxxProstatexxx can u explain me your...theorie on "Black Hole" ..lol how do you say that in english... it dont sound right...the thing in the space who are that heavy that there "gravitational power" is ...stronger than everything...

oups...that was an answer to the last message of the first page ...ive read the first..and after 30 min of reading...ive posted that without notice..that there is other page..

YOU ARE ALL WRONG! TIME ISN'T REAL!!

Its only created by us humans to measure what we have left 'til we die. Let me give you all the low down of. . . DIMENSIONS!!!

1st: Its a line.
2nd: A polygon.
3rd: A box.
4th: Neverland.
5th: COOKIES!!
6th: Heat.
7th: Cold.
8th: Pissed on Cheerios.
9th: Ewwwwwwww. . .
10th: MORE COOKIES!!
11th: When you're high on mary jane.
12th: Pepsi.
13th: Coke.
14th: Melting clocks.
15th: Goats!
16th: WOMBATS!!!!
17th: Laser beams that shoot into the sky!
20th: Take that outer space!
18th: I skipped this one.
21st: NUMBERS!
19th: Damn, forgot this one too.
22nd and final: Pie.

Now shut up and dance.

hey you forgot girls

I didn't forget, just man haven't fully figured out girls ;D

Time not a dimension? Hah! What about your melting clocks then?

And number 18 is that frothy scum you see floating on polluted rivers, also known as McDonalds milkshakes.

There is an equation used in physics, which compares the speed of objects against light and a relativistic mass.
The Relativistic mass is (M)
The standing mass (m) is the actual mass of the object when there is zero displacement
c is the speed of light and v is the speed of the mass.
M = m/((v^2/C^2)/1) This means that an object travveling at the speed of light has zero mass, also, objects gain mass as
they get closer and closer to the speed of light. there is also something floating around in my advanced physics books that time slows down as you reach the speed of light. I don't know whether this is confirmed or not, but the zero mass thing kinda proves Star trek completely wrong!
Regarding the object (or lines) in the source code. This can only be perceived as 2d as this is just a series of 2d lines which all meet with another line at each end. Therefore this object is undeniably 2d. now if this object was saved as an x. or .3ds or whatever, it would actually be inmpossible. Regarding the 4th dimension, who knows, and frankly who cares? all I know is that there are a lot of unexplained things such as:
Transporters (from star trek):
There is a real working transproter somewhere on this planet but it technically isnt. The device destroys one atom, and recreates it somewhere else.
The GUT (Grand unified theory):
Nuetrons and protons are held together, but how? not magnetic or electric feilds as a nuetron has no charge. speculation just suggests the "Strong Force" an unexplained phenomena that isnt proven.
also light:
light is two things. it has mass, but also acts as a wave. Some physicist from ages ago speculates that everything emits radiation of a certain wavelength. just that a 1000kg car turns out a wavelength of about 10^-35 m or someting. the only mass know to produce a detectable wavelength with this theory is an electron, with a mass of 9.11*10^-31kg.
Aliens:
Who knows?

The 4th dimesion is likely to be something like time, but it could be a parralell universe, something similar to subspace or whatever. but if anyone is curious about the transporters and laws they break. <www.ex-astris-scientia.com> is a star trek site dedicated to the inconsistencies with the programs. (website might not have -'s in its name)
That line example reminds me of that screensaver that pcs have built into them (usually older versions of windows!)

It is 1:12am of the 4th dimension (lol) and I am about to enter the ?'th dimesion (sleep).

Sorry to prolong this post but i had to give my 2 cents.

Note the n'th dimension is where zool comes from (a bit of gaming history from me!).
please don't shun me as I am half asleep and.... yamn.... i could..... n't..... care if the 4th dime...... zzzzzzzzzz....zzzzzzzz

my last post didnt make sense. oh well.

Give up! My theory is PRIMES I TELLS YOU!