firstly on the behalf of Arraying data, they are just as commonly know as elements.

However the nature of being know as a dimension actually spans from the words itself which means "pertaining or belonging to within a sequence"

as for the 4D within Programming and Shapes go, the 4th is a derivitive of Time (and btw 5th is Space, 6th is Sub or Reaction Space)

the 4D in a shape is actually based upon the vector set of time, or rather "speed" ... this means the next demension of shape is the movement of it based within the shape itself. I.E. the Vector of the points, which comes from a Velocity and Direction

but then again i'm sure some of you here already knew that - and might've answered it (i was too lazy to read all of that)

I say it's 2D

Because anything on your monitor is 2D. Unless u got the New 3D monitor(20000$) or you have 3D Googles(Er.. HOw do you spell that?)

Anyhow, It's not 4D and not even 3D.

ITS 3D GOD-DAMMIT

In reply to IanM,

you see, the DIM command can hold up to 5 values.

so dim a(1,2,3,4,5) will work, 1-6 won't.

I never knew about this!

In DBPro, it's limited to 9. The error message I get is 'Only 9 dimensions allowed at line 1'. It just happens to be wrong according to latest theory.

*Sigh* I have this deformed sense of humour you see

lol ... compared to my brother your humours pretty normal

i think it was only 5 dimension in Standard wasn't it?

I'm not sure time is a dimension because it's only a scalar property since it only goes in 1 direction. Unless you're a time traveler. I've heard that the 4th dimension is a real spatial dimension just like the first 3, we just can't see it.

I'm rather eager to see this post die...ZomBfied, my friend, your on a large list of people who "Aren't sure".(Just read the last 70 post and their point is argued. However to get back to this post ORGINAL question, I would have to say the image would have to be 2D. The image in all sincere appearance is 3 dimensional, but it exist on a flat screen. In the same sense Artist (My self included) use shading and prespective to give the impression of reality or the inculsion of the 3rd Dimension in our artwork. But it's fake. The sheet of paper I drew on has no 'rea' depth, neither does the computer screen, its faked.

But surely that means the image is 3 dimensional. It has width and height - classic 2d, plus it exists in time.

PS. Please don't take this post seriously - I'm just yanking your chain.

Lets face it chaps, not only is time NOT the 4th dimention, but time technically is NOTHING. Not an entity of any kind. Time is simply a concept invented by humans to keep track of motion within the universe.

Think about it, without motion in the universe time would be meaningless. The only reason we can even measure time is because of CONSTANTS in the motion percieved by humans (namely orbital patters).

You might say without time there would be no motion. I think it's more accurate to say without motion there would be no time. And I hereby declare the 4th dimention to be MOTION.

IMHO

Of course, 100 years of Science must bow to your wisdom...

LOL? I AGREE

Lol...Why does this keep happening? I get itchy when things like this happen for the 8th time. Well I agree with IanM,
100 years of Science and expiremention, lets not forget proven physics, must bow down to your opinion. RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT, Ok time to get back to flamin. Ok Bugsquish, the change I have in my pocket is worth more than your humble opinion( Or mine for that matter). Motion is movement, or displacement if you will. And lets face it, Any word is an idea, merely a thought. They serve as a proxy for a preconcieved Idea. Time is the word we use for the passage of events. And Time won its place as a dimension when people proved the Time Dilation affect, that is the Time being competely relative to a victim in respect to the observer. Would you like me to scan the page out of my Physics book? (I've got the book in my car, and the scanner, its a cheap one mind u got it from tigerdirect.com, is at the office.)


Well Chaps, sorry I had to be an @%!@%#@ about it. I seem to meet all sorts of strange people on these forums.
Best Wishes Bugsquish.

**Bows respectfully to Petrat, and IanM**
Aye yes Bygones are bygones

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANY LONGER! ALL THESE VOICES IN MY POST!

But no-one gets that joke

Anyhoo, after reading all 93 posts, (and getting a headache in some cases) I have come to a conclusion:

We're all just guessing beyond the 3rd dimention! - its as simple as that, so until a 4th, 5th or n'th dimentional being comes to visit somebody to prove that they exist, we cant prove anything.

Yours Programmingly

Mog - Lord of the Post

Heh, Sorry mate, I just couldn't let such a popular subject die

A good book to read for the layman (and for those who are interested) is 'The Elegant Universe' by Brian Greene. I start getting the headaches around page 34.

I'm with IanM, this post is eclipsing 100!
BTW I might have to get that book, sound interesting, the first time I read a book dealing with relativity was when I Was about 12 I guess. I found "Relativity for Young Reads" or something along those lines at the library. I'll have to give that book a try

And how the heck do you make those faces? The only ones I can get are those smiley ones! ARGH! And Moggie I completely agree, except anything above the 4th( input winking smiley face).

The book is about string theory at it was in 2000, so it covers relativity and quantum theory first. All using explanations and diagrams without any equations. Page 34 is just over a third of the way through the relativity stuff.

By the time you get to the end of chapter 3, you'll understand (maybe) :
1) Why time is a dimension
2) Why nothing can go faster than light
3) What time dilation is and why it occurs
4) Why things get shorter as they go faster
5) Why things get more massive as they go faster
6) WHat a real headache is like

And then you start on quantun theory...


As for the smileys, these ones I know work
is ; )
is : (
is : D

These ones may
:S is : S
:/ is : /

and just as a test /\.

These are probably others knowing rich

LOL

did you notice we are saying the same thing BRENT?

Motion is movement, or displacement if you will.

Undisputed, and it is this very REAL feature of the universe that gives us a basis for measuring "time" thanks to constants such as orbital patterns and later, light speed.

And lets face it, Any word is an idea, merely a thought. They serve as a proxy for a preconcieved Idea. Time is the word we use for the passage of events.

Again, this is exactly what I was saying Time is a concept that exists only in the minds of humans. The same for dimensions. we know from programming that dimensions (arrays) neednt be specifically related to 3D space or time, or be limited to any number of dimensions. 3 dimensions just so happen to be a handy concept for measuring 3D space, hence why humans have difficulty imagining more than 3 because they try to apply it in a spacial sense which doesnt work.

And Time won its place as a dimension when people proved the Time Dilation affect, that is the Time being competely relative to a victim in respect to the observer.

If time dilation is so overwhelmingly proven, then why is the scientific community still divided over the issue? "All motions may be accelerated and retarded, but the flowing of absolute time is liable to no change," said Isaac Newton. Did you know that all so-called evidence thought to confirm Einstein's time dilation, in fact only confirm Newton's law that motion can be changed, but time is still absolute? I reccomend that you check out "Time Dilation: A Challenge to Einstein's Special Relativity" by John Doan. There is more than one side to every story. You don't know everything cos u read a book when u were 12 .

And best wishes Brent

Hmm, I've searched for John Doan on google, and I find a lot of self publicising (and the funniest imaginary conversation with Einstein).

Anyway,
Proof of time dilation : http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae433.cfm
Check out the second paragraph - or read it all : http://www.physicspost.com/articles.php?articleId=43
A simple (!) explanation relativity, and loads of other stuff : http://home.xnet.com/~raydbias

Bugsquish its great you took my last post maturely You've earned my respect.

My main point of my last post may have been perhaps hidden. I was responding to your last sentence:

"And I hereby declare the 4th dimention to be MOTION."

Motion is displacement, not a dimension. Motion is deffined by dimensions, it is self is not one. And I'm 'the stuff' because I read a book at 12, I've read everything I could get my hands on about physics, space, relativity and such, the main source being the 'blessed interent. I looked for John Doan and I cant find crap on him, not a thing, I did find alot of Music by a guy by that name though. And for the oddest reason I dont see Time Dilation as an opposition to special relativity, mainly because Einstein himself proposed the idea, and it was predicted by his calculations. So really in all sincerity do not see such a book being possible. BTW IanM could you send me the links to his site(s)?


Well good ol Sir Issac Newton said that? He was a grand ol' guy but he's lil off. Well... Aristotle said the Earth was in the Center of the universe!! Beat that! Screw Modern science, Aristotle said so! Understand Newton was ahead of his time, but not our time. We have the technolojy to test things and prove things, he did not. The time dilation effect has been proven. Would you like me to scan a page from my Physics book to show you? (If I do it'll have to be tomorrow).

But I can't wait your rebuttal, as your mature about it, with a twist of humor. Most people raddle of comptelely wacko things...like the 4th dimension is negative gravity!!!!!ARGH!

Very Best Wishes